Archived Boards => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: meilod00 on September 02, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
Title: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: meilod00 on September 02, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
Name: =<THEPWN>= Which Server: nbs server #4 Ban Time: 1 day ago or maybe more Banned By: idk What You Were Doing: Was playing fairly until I got a permanent ban on my screen Dispute Reason of Unban: I don't hack and it's the only S&D crack server I know.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 02, 2008, 03:49:35 PM
http://www.xfire.com/video/1fac3/
now gtfo noob your banned go home
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: meilod00 on September 02, 2008, 04:43:44 PM
Yeah i saw this video before the ban and all i was doing is camping in this building waiting them with the m16. I never folowed anyone through the wall. Ppl almost always rush these spots so I waiting for them is normal and the knife at the end, this guy just pop out so I just luckily killed him with the knife.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 02, 2008, 05:12:50 PM
you know what man... honestly im sorry.. im going to open this debate up.. ill explain.. basically the demo was taken, and played back with hax on, and recorded to xfire.
although, there is a problem.. the hax seem to actually ALTER the original demo. it locks on the the player in the xfire video...
PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO 1:10 IN THE XFIRE VIDEO.. SEE THE SNAP BACK?
now check the ACTUAL original demo file here, no snap, so its clear the hax altered the original demo.... and made it look like snaps..
the demo is sketchy, as you can tell he does kinda look at walls, but in my opinion not bannable... the whole entrance to B is a common entrance, and theres nothing out of the ordinary...
maybe some other people can watch the original after watching the xfire vid and see no hax....
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 02, 2008, 05:41:47 PM
ok there no snaps http://www.xfire.com/video/2257f/
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Virauge on September 02, 2008, 05:54:58 PM
Watch it carefully, there's some things to keep an eye open for.
1) He stops multiple times and looks at walls, pointing at the red boxes which is people in that direction. How is pointing at a wall. camping? Camping is watching a certain area, not a wall.
2) The first guy to run by, just before he into view, notice how he raises his crosshairs to about the level the guy is coming, as if.... he knew he was coming at that height?
3) He throws a nade then runs to the other room, looking at a sniper at spawn, as soon as that sniper dies, he runs back to the doorway.
4) Here's the most obvious part. He pre-sights in behind the wall for people possibly there, which is normal, we've all done it. Then notice how he shifts his crosshairs DIRECTLY in the red box. That, my friends, is aiming. Aiming means he can see the guy, but how, he's behind the wall?
Now, some of this can be explained by UAV, but the only guy he shot at while he had UAV was the first one, which he raised his sights before the guy got to the opening. UAV can tell position on overhead map, not whether it's high or low. Even UAV doesn't explain the CLEAR evidence of him AIMING at a guy behind the wall.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 02, 2008, 06:06:19 PM
1) yes, sketchy 2) thats because you can see the top of the guy, youre hax even show that...... watch the box light up 3) runs into the other room, to avoid the nade... didnt look at anything 4) yes, very, very sketchy
enough to ban? i dunno
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Virauge on September 02, 2008, 06:10:48 PM
So what explains the clear pre-aiming? And it was clear.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: meilod00 on September 02, 2008, 06:31:56 PM
The reason i always pre-aim is because there was only 2 ways to get to that bombsite. 1. where I puted the claymores 2. the other window i was looking at.
So i camped at these place knowing they will eventualy charge that place. And any decent player would always aim down the sigh with a assault weapon such as the m16 who is best used long to med range.
What I think is that one video u capture is that it isn't enough proof to get me ban.
Get over it i'm just good.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 02, 2008, 09:46:43 PM
virauge, hes from mtl, i think you should go talk to him in person :D :P
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Virauge on September 02, 2008, 10:53:48 PM
Still doesn't explain the zoom in and then CLEARLY aim, as if it was in the open. You aimed up a guy behind the wall, which is impossible without hacks. Werth, don't forget this is a guy who was banned twice already and instead of posting an appeal, he did something (which I won't post here) to go back and play, instead of posting an appeal or even asking why he was banned. Proof of guilt is right there.
I'd do it, but if your that pathetic to hack on an online game because you lack real skill at it, you prolly still live with your mom and still haven't see real boobs.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 02, 2008, 11:38:37 PM
Hi, I represent thepwn in this case, werth I appreciate your hold back on the ban, I've discussed with Virauge on the video, neither the video or Virauge convinced me, however Supernova's video, proved he was cheating indeed, and I do apologize for not noticing earlier, which in name of everyone on Mele I accept all responsibility. People are thinking thepwn and supernova have a link (like the same person) which I have proofs he's not.
This doesn't entirely mean I say thepwn is innocent, but since the ban had been lifted, you guys have all the shots to prove if he's cheating or not.
BTW, I encouraged him to come back after the ban, since NO1 replied me why he got banned, I asked several times.
My 3 cents.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Wіggles on September 03, 2008, 12:00:45 AM
1.He changed his cd key and got back on and that anit cool.That shows no respect for our servers 2.If u keep coming in here representing HACKERS everytime it doesnt look good. 3.In the video he pre aims his own teammate and jumps to make sure his aim is down or someshit but that is hackers sorry sniper u FAIL at FAILing.
And for my last comment MELE plz stfu and stop whining like a baby and recruite ppl after u check them out.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 03, 2008, 01:59:31 AM
I ain't going offensive on this one, I know your kind, wiyle bear :P
1) Re-read, I asked around, no1 said why, like nothing happened, so we assumed it was "some mistake". 2) Do you realize those words are dangerous? And I had been only in 2 topics, i guess u should do some research first. 3) Come talk to me when you know how to spot one ;D
You should realize on this topic, no -> stfu <- had been mentioned, and we aint whining like babies. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
wiyle bear :o
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 03, 2008, 08:52:01 AM
lol lets get back on topic here... supernova was hacking thats it and all........ who cares, doesnt mean mele hacks, we've had hackers in the past, that mean i hack?
lets focus on thepwn..... more feedback please?
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: #Madmik3 on September 03, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
Hax
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: vonDuTch on September 03, 2008, 12:50:59 PM
you now what i think after i watched the demos. 1 word HAX! and no >STFU< has been motioned????? wel here it is, =STFU=! and if you or 1 of you mele peeps hacks your asses are MINE to ban!!!
I ain't going offensive on this one, I know your kind, wiyle bear :P
1) Re-read, I asked around, no1 said why, like nothing happened, so we assumed it was "some mistake". 2) Do you realize those words are dangerous? And I had been only in 2 topics, i guess u should do some research first. 3) Come talk to me when you know how to spot one ;D
You should realize on this topic, no -> stfu <- had been mentioned, and we aint whining like babies. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
wiyle bear :o
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: DirtOne on September 03, 2008, 01:27:21 PM
Well yesterday garaah told me that the pwn clearly said that he was supernova.. and he said he changed his cd key and got in again... that's 2 separete ppl who have proof.. wiggles and garaah
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 03, 2008, 02:06:31 PM
i dunno maybe they are the same person
thepwn ip: 70.52.4.175
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 03, 2008, 02:19:08 PM
you now what i think after i watched the demos. 1 word HAX! and no >STFU< has been motioned????? wel here it is, =STFU=! and if you or 1 of you mele peeps hacks your asses are MINE to ban!!!
Come on dude, you are embarrassing yourself (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/sad/sad0064.gif) Werth already said, not everyone has to pay for a single person's mistake. If there's one then I assume all responsibility.
Well if werth has more proofs he's supernova, I'll step down on this one. The only proof I got is this:
http://www.xfire.com/profile/meilod00/
http://www.xfire.com/profile/maynards69/
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 03, 2008, 02:32:00 PM
i have no proof
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Virauge on September 03, 2008, 03:42:23 PM
Actually thats less proof of him not being Supernova. Let me explain.
Say I played on nobs and got banned for hacking. Change something (not gonna say it here), restart my modem(not for me I'm stuck on static IP, but most people can do this because of dynamic IP), change name and viola, nobody knows it's me. Now thats simple. But what about my xfire? Well, as most people have done, I could have created 2 xfire logins. All I needed to do was stop using one and start using the other.
Here's the clues to the xfire record proof. If you switched profiles one should have alot of gaming hours on it and one should have few. Wait we have that. One profile (meilod00) 461 hrs of CoD4, 921 total gaming hours. The other (maynards69) 40 hrs of CoD4, 76 total gaming hours. Now, the dates, Supernova's was created 2007, ThePwn's was created 6 months ago. Now as odd as it is the one created 2007 has less hours than the one created 2008. What does this tell you? It's possibly someone who has multiple accounts.
Any info in the profile section like age location, name all can be changes so they can't prove anything at all. So your xfire "proof" is no proof at all. You still have a profile with alot of hours and a profile with few hours, which is sign of multiple accounts. I know of people that use 3-4 msn accounts depending on what thier doing, why should xfire be any different? I can't prove thepwn is supernova, nobody really can, I explained how simple it is to start over. So your xfire profile links actually prove nothing.
@werth - Unless someone has some form of record of SuperNova's IP, gonna be hard to compare.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: crackedshad on September 03, 2008, 05:33:46 PM
lol preaim
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Philrider7 on September 03, 2008, 05:56:10 PM
70% chance of hacking and 30% of i dont know! Men this one is hard to catch.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 03, 2008, 05:56:34 PM
@Virauge: I see your point, and I don't want to make him look innocent, just trying to get the truth. Even if it doesn't prove he's not supernova, it still cannot be used to backfire him.
@Other guys: Don't take all of my arguments as if I'm against your entitled opinions, however I don't think your premature judgement of a few of you is helping at all.
@Everyone: If we meet no conclusion by tomorrow, I'll let you guys decide thepwn fate, I have a job and I'm very busy, btw I need to get a life (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/sad/sad0121.gif)
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Knott on September 03, 2008, 10:22:02 PM
thepwn = hax!!!!!!!!!!!! omg why is there a huge debate over this guy? fuckin guy is a joke. get good, gg.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Evilgenius on September 03, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 04, 2008, 01:56:38 AM
omfg, ur sig is sick and hell scary :o
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: IHeartPenguins on September 04, 2008, 02:43:32 AM
First off, it doesnt explain why he was watching the right flank if he had wallhacks because noone was there. The aiming in the general direction of the entrance and creeping out is normal. Notice he was putting two clays by that entrance..then aiming at that entrance way before anyone was even close to it...then like 4 people ended up in the spot he aimed at..he continued aiming at the same spot and crept around a doorway doing it. The fact that his aiming there corresponds to people going there is HIGHLY likely. The only thing that I didn't get was why he turned as if to pop out on the balcony but then knifed the wall and aimed a his ally, maybe he wussed out and was bored. The thing about vertical uav is true, but I didn't see any of that in the demo..he was aiming at the level of the entrance..period.
You have to be very paranoid to think thepwn and super are the same person. They play completely differently and if thepwn's profile was simply an extra one super had laying around the hours logged don't make sense. Nonetheless, why would you even scrutinize proof that thepwn isn't super when you have absolutely no evidence that he is...it doesn't even matter anyways.
Also, when I manage to make those uber ninja spawn rushes and started working my way from behind, thepwn never notices. There's absolutely no reason for me to think that. I DID think he was fishy since he was playing so well, but they are people like snizzle et all...they're just crazy...where you just sit there in a suspension of disbelief that this person could possibly be legit.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 04, 2008, 08:47:05 AM
First off, it doesnt explain why he was watching the right flank if he had wallhacks because noone was there. The aiming in the general direction of the entrance and creeping out is normal. Notice he was putting two clays by that entrance..then aiming at that entrance way before anyone was even close to it...then like 4 people ended up in the spot he aimed at..he continued aiming at the same spot and crept around a doorway doing it. The fact that his aiming there corresponds to people going there is HIGHLY likely. The only thing that I didn't get was why he turned as if to pop out on the balcony but then knifed the wall and aimed a his ally, maybe he wussed out and was bored. The thing about vertical uav is true, but I didn't see any of that in the demo..he was aiming at the level of the entrance..period.
i agree with this..
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Virauge on September 04, 2008, 11:57:15 AM
Actually I can explain why he was watching it when nobody was there. It's the same principle as why SuperNova did it. We know SuperNova hacked, thats not in dispute. Supernova would look where people weren't, and he knew it. It's disguising the hacks. I'm 100% sure people can produce demos where he was looking in a direction where nobody was. Does this mean he didn't hack? Nope, we alrwady showed he hacked and everyone agrees with that. He did it for the simple fact it makes him look less fishy to people watching him.
I've always said the best cheaters are the ones that can do it under your nose and make you believe their not. As in this case. And again, I'll invite anyone to explain to me when he CLEARLY aimed up the guy behind the wall at 1:01. No doubt if you watch any demo of anyone aiming they point in the general direction then tune their aim to shoot at a person. That's EXACTLY what happened at 1:01. CLEAR proof right there. Trying to bash and debate everything else is fine, as of yet nobody has explained it. There's one thing to point out and strafe to take a look, there's another to point and aim DIRECTLY at a guy. When he strafes out he changes his aim to the guy running in. So explain that clear aim.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: werth on September 04, 2008, 12:08:07 PM
mannn its so close. 1:01 is really the only shady part... are we ready to ban on a SINGLE shady moment?
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Evilgenius on September 04, 2008, 12:12:10 PM
i say no ban as he knows he will be watched like a hawk now lol
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: runt9 on September 04, 2008, 04:13:54 PM
Too shady to do it, just keep him unbanned. If he was hacking, the hax will not be on anymore because he will know we're watching him. It looks bad, yes, but I just don't think it's 100% enough. However, next time something like this comes up, smash his skull with the banhammer.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: NoBS|J-Col on September 05, 2008, 02:32:24 AM
Yeah, that snap may have been xfire's crappy video recording. Anyway, I say that the ban should be lifted, this way, if he is hacking, we can spec him more, and get proof to satisfy everyone. Remember, NoBS is ruled by the major vote, if only some of us want him banned, it's not enough. If he is not hacking, then problem solved.
Wiggles, mele is not a bad clan, and actually does have some good ppl/players. I think they're problem is that they're looking at score rather than player. Don't judge a whole clan for one of the clanmates' mistakes.
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: IHeartPenguins on September 05, 2008, 04:40:12 AM
Yeah, that snap may have been xfire's crappy video recording. Anyway, I say that the ban should be lifted, this way, if he is hacking, we can spec him more, and get proof to satisfy everyone. Remember, NoBS is ruled by the major vote, if only some of us want him banned, it's not enough. If he is not hacking, then problem solved.
Wiggles, mele is not a bad clan, and actually does have some good ppl/players. I think they're problem is that they're looking at score rather than player. Don't judge a whole clan for one of the clanmates' mistakes.
Thanks J-Col. Coming from me, it wouldn't mean anything. I'm good person sometimes, but on bad days I use cod4 to vent. All the meles are lunatics and very fun. They tend to make games pretty interesting. Personally, I know sometimes I go a little overboard with my antics though. :P
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Oriental Sniper on September 05, 2008, 12:55:36 PM
Wiggles, mele is not a bad clan, and actually does have some good ppl/players. I think they're problem is that they're looking at score rather than player. Don't judge a whole clan for one of the clanmates' mistakes.
I love you! (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/happy/happy0208.gif). You can't blame one or two spammers to whole clan (can you? (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/confused/confused0087.gif)) ? BTW, I'm sorry I couldn't get online last night, had to fix my uncle's PC and wake up early so I could install him CCD cameras (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/happy/happy0201.gif). However I haven't see thepwn in the last 3 days, if he does not provide Mele an answer by tonight, he'll be out of Mele. 100% Guaranteed. (http://www.smileysign.com/smilies/cool/cool0018.gif)
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: meilod00 on September 05, 2008, 04:26:55 PM
I just talked to 0sniper and wanted to say that i understand that u guys want to keep ur server clean of hacks, cheat,etc. However, I am not a hacker and if u guys still think i hack, go watch me play at nbs server 4 so u can make ur minds clear. If someone get proof of me hacking...u shall ban me with ur so call "banhammer" but for now, until u get more serious proofs, i don't think i have to be ban from ur awnsome S&D server.
1 more thing, i don't understand why ppl think i'm supernova. Because of the same country? He was the last hacker? Similar ip? Or because i'm in mele and ppl think i'm hacking? I don't even know this guy and the idea of me making multiple account?!! Lol why would I do so much trouble only to get back in a clan and hack nbs crack server.
well Cya all
=THEPWN= |Mele|
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: Evilgenius on September 05, 2008, 07:52:26 PM
someone lock this plz it really is getting boring :/
Title: Re: =<THEPWN>=
Post by: DirtOne on September 06, 2008, 09:42:17 AM